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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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for the tour februari 2010 show number

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69 Richardson is here with you once

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again on today's episode we have an

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interview with our Mentalist from the UK

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philip s Kofi who's currently touring

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Australia and if you can get a chance to

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go along and see Philip asked avi I

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sincerely recommend it details are

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coming up in the interview that's

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followed by a clip from New Zealand

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television with our good friend Vicky

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hide from the New Zealand skeptics where

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she discusses homeopathy well worth a

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listen and to round off the show today

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we have the think tank a bit of an

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extended think tank because we know you

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love it so much so sit back grab that

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nice drink of your choice and enjoy this

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philippa scuffy mentalist extraordinaire

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is currently touring australia from the

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UK a wonderful act where he can

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seemingly read your mind quite

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incredible Philippa scuffy is also good

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skeptic and I caught up with him a few

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days ago here in Sydney and I'm

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delighted to be here with their Phillips

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coffee in your wonderful little

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apartment here at Circular key July what

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I've done with it it's brilliant i love

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the paintings but i'll be good i like i

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said all my own work and i'm thinking of

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nothing through there and just opening

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up a better maybe next week all right

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but you won't be a next note online for

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attention so this is um you're within

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very short walk of where you're

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performing as we record which is the

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Sydney Opera House that in fact yes

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what's that like for an artist is

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yourself 20 at the sydney opera house

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sits it's a bit of a coup isn't it um I

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feel like an impostor slightly no one's

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rumbled me yet as I say at the end of my

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show I genuinely so grateful to people

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to come and see the show because I was

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previewing this show in a back room in a

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pub in Battersea not much more than a

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year and a half ago really said to be in

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this fabulous of a 300-seat or B and the

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opera house is just yeah if maybe listen

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if my career goes nowhere after this I'm

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fine it's okay i've done the opera house

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but before the opera house and after

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this little preview I've done to

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Edinburgh is now I like was my first

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where I did this show for the first time

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six impossible things in 09 I did six

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more impossible things and between those

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i went to Melbourne in April last year

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bhai show I got the Comedy Festival and

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that's kind of what things kicked off

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for me in Australia having had a very

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difficult first week I couldn't really

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give tickets away and I was only in a

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smallish hundred Seto and

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in trades which is one of the city it's

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not the town hall its happiness Melvin

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straight all be our first week can give

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tickets away I don't think they really

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knew what I was so I think a lot of

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people who is easy like to John Edwards

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relatives what what's this about then I

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had the good fortune to appear on a

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couple of radio shows one in particular

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where and the hosts were seemingly

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little sort of dumb struck by something

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i did and because they renowned for

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being fairly hard-nosed and skeptical

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and known by their audience so their

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reaction was heart was gold really and

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and from then on we were sold out and

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put on extra shows so it really took off

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a month in Brisbane and then did another

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people who'd wanted to come to see the

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show but hadn't had a chance and that

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was great with a week there in a bigger

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venue in the in the ballroom the new

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ballroom at trades which is about 210

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people and and Sydney kindly invited me

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to come to the Opera House no I'm not

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being here well they extended it for a

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week so when did you kick off here she

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we were scheduled to go to the 31st and

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in the middle of name which is very flat

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rate insurance yeah yeah and all the fan

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letters my mother wrote on to various I

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said I seem to have worked um now you

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appearance here on Sydney radio yeah I I

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didn't hear it but I heard another radio

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commentator glenn wheeler on 2g because

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we're friends and unripe you're on his

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show and he mentioned you to me said

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this despo called philippus coffee and

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he he just knocked the socks off these

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other radio people than a few I've done

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triple j unit

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guncle the doctor yinz yeah very nice

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chap titled steve canaan steve canadian

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is zoom well yeah wsf and mandarin jones

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dance right yeah that would be like

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they've got a lovely thing going on I

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think the two of them you've been

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everywhere I am right oh I just go where

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having not having heard those

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friend Ben wheeler was impressing upon

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bits of Buddhism to the hosts in time

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and that went down very well hmm yeah

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it's they always very keen for you to

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perhaps do something with callers and I

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open mouth silence doesn't make great

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radio so they might well be stunned back

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it back at their home but that doesn't

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really carry and also the the rest of

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extraordinary and then somebody who's

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that's just a friend of mine or your

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buddy I've set up so I try and do

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something with the host I'm very get

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them to think of somebody that they'd

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like to interview that they never have

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seems relevant to what they what they do

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for a living and I give them the choice

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of it being somebody that they'd like to

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interview because they are a fan of them

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there isn't and would like to spend some

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time with them talking to them or

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because they can't stand them you might

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something like that and have a bit of a

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thinking of and that's all very jolly

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and right they seem right why do

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whatever the one was my friend heard you

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did you nailed it and which is of course

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greatly impressive if and I'm yeah it's

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funny you should say that about the

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listeners because this is something that

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I'll make you regular certainly milked

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for all it's worth and you probably know

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the switchboard meltdown if they're

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guilty lately absolutely thank you if

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you ask they must call the listeners to

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those listeners to phone up for your

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switchboard to melt down but it gives

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the impression and everyone in there and

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my father's of watchmakers I'm more than

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a web that if you take any old watching

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just hold it just warming up the oils in

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the watch or more than likely to make it

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tick away again for 10 or 15 seconds

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when they sort of look at it again in

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half an hour see that it's not working

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anymore today they don't call in and

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programs over it's a great expression

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too isn't it the switchboard we're into

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Miller what do you mean it was so many

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calls that though the thing actually

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start to physically mail time if it did

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gala with public like that as well i

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melted the switchboard right yeah I've

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been at least three three times in the

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last six radio interviews I've done I've

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gone in and there's been some technical

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problem where the interviewed started

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but my mic wasn't working or suddenly

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some piece of equipment stopped working

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and you just think so much of that then

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it's interesting you should say that

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because that is exactly what happened

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the time i went to see John Edward here

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in Australia yeah he was doing a talk

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show one of the city morning talk shows

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channel nine I think I do was live so I

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didn't want to put my foot in it so I

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just watched and as it happened he

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didn't do any cold reading whatsoever he

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just talked about how wonderful he

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wasn't but the point that I'm getting to

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is they made a comment to him about

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something to do with the monitor in his

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waiting room or the green room something

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buzzing out on the fridge and he claimed

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that he clean and now that I've had a

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bit of experience going into these these

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these radio stations it's more the

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exception when something doesn't flicker

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or Basel do something and in the theater

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manager wrote there was lots of

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interference on their contest in the

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United stage manager in the lighting guy

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in the sand I will all talk to each

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other yeah on a concert and there was

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some ungrateful interference we had what

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sounded like a taxi rank coming through

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that was odd so when you've got that

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amount of equipment the chance that

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something is going

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too especially in this kind of humidity

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and climate hmm it seems as I say the

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exception when I go into one of these

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few days and something doesn't go a bit

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wonky and so is your inclination to

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claim these things as some some effect

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and yeah you get you're gonna have

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plenty of scope to do that i'll tell you

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what also works very well on radio and

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you might not think of it would but it

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really does is good old-fashioned spoon

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bending which I've done many times on

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radio this is such a visual thing the

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point is the host will sell it to the

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audience he says oh yes he's got the

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spoon and suddenly the host is

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completely surprised as the spoon is

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bailing any same I'm not kidding the

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spoon and then you hear that Cleveland

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uncle on them yeah and Emmy can only wet

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people's appetite to want two men come

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and see what that actually looks like if

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you're if you're promoting a show while

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you're actually going to be doing

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something yeah yeah I mean most most

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material is is visual what we do so it

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does rely on ax on a host basically

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emoting and selling it and telling the

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listeners and the listeners know their

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host so when I was in Melbourne and

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these two so I think they're both the

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lawyers once and they've been on The

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Breakfast Show for 15 years Harold Ross

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and John when they were sort of

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seemingly flabbergasted that just meant

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so much more because I think two days

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earlier but had some psychic inge who in

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who they'd rip to shreds who told one of

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them that their pet was ill and the

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other one that they I'm about to go on

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holiday well now I'm not about to go on

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holiday and when I left this morning my

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dog was fine thanks very much so it just

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happened to be that the person didn't

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get neither of these fairly general

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statements actually hit yeah and they

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were having none of it really oh yeah

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that they and I think they were already

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actually test strips off me but then

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becomes pretty apparent quite quickly

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that I don't come at it from this look

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at the powers I have I come from arc the

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opposite position of looking out easily

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I can keep the impression I have these

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powers they can't really pull the rug

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out from under me because I'm I'm not

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claiming anything in bjs place exactly

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you're what we call on outside of the

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of the game completely upfront and

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honest or as the magician Jamy Ian Swiss

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and enough emerging says Lisa's

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parishioners dishonest but now an honest

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liar yeah yeah an honest liar yes i

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deceived people honestly yes and like it

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let any good magician does yes yes would

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you class yourself as the magician or or

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wash depends who I'm talking to really I

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mean yes what would I do mentalism as it

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as it's sometimes referred to mind

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reading and is it's very much a branch

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of sort of magic in your general sense

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and I don't as far as the public

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concerns and my websites concern over we

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have any mention of magical magicians or

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any links to any of that kind of world

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simply because i don't i don't prefer

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any rationale for how I do what I do and

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I think that's a weakness on some levels

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I think part of the appeal of watching a

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Gellar or a Derren Brown is a fairly

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known and successful Mentalist or mind

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read in the UK they have different

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rationales for their for their seeming

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abilities gala obviously claims it's all

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psychic and paranormal Brown takes the

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opposite views being very specific and

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saying it's not psychic but then saying

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it's all body language and reading

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people and manipulation and influence I

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I don't make any claims and I think

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there is a weakness to that because

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people are fundamentally interested I

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did think I'm tuesday i think it was

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groundhog day on tuesday yes that's

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quite a nice seeming explanation for how

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you do what you do maybe you are trapped

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in Groundhog Day so I know what's going

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to happen in my show because it happened

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yesterday and it happened the day before

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and I'm just living that's horribly

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monotonous yeah and repeatable day but

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that is how I know that those shakes

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will get chosen all those whose

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countries will depict because the same

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every day now of course i had the

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pleasure of seeing your show a couple of

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weeks ago and it was fabulously

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entertaining i was laughing and clapping

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with everybody I you must get some quite

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interesting

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reactions to what you do in age from

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their audience from time to time still

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done injure maxim isn't it those that

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believe no evidence is necessary in for

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those that don't believe no evidence

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will ever suffice people come in fairly

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polarized in their opinions on what's

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going on onstage and despite it being

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fairly clear as the show progresses that

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my position is one of skepticism those

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that want to believe that I'm psychic

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and tend to carry on believing that I'm

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psychic well after the show and corner

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me and say I know you say I'm psychic

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but you know you give me a winking I

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know you obviously you are and you know

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you are and I can understand why you

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don't tell people because they probably

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want to dissect you in the bowels of the

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FBI I really skeptics like video and

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it's in that's there you see the point

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is if they have a firm belief in

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psychics and that's that's their thing

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that's their need perhaps it is need

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then seeing me up on stage doing these

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things and not claiming psychic

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abilities creates a bit of cognitive

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dissonance doesn't it because or wait a

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minute if he can do this stuff which is

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every bit as impressive as any cyclic

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I've seen then I have to perhaps concede

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that maybe the psychics are I've been

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paying our I'm not psychic any lighting

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that they just don't want to go down

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that route so rather than adjust their

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position on the psychics they know like

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they take me and put me into that group

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that's one reaction yeah other reactions

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are that um they're watching gasping

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behind me that's which is great you know

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I try and suck out all the oxygen from

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the room disregard cigars I'm not proud

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yeah listen it's designed to make late

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people say gosh you know this is I don't

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I just don't see how that is possible

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what my interest is what people do in

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the face of that so you've spent an hour

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watching something that you didn't think

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was possible do you now abandon the

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reason that you came in with and deduce

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that maybe he's a psychic or do you

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listen to the sort of subtext of what

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I'm saying yeah and yeah and and

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acknowledge us because we don't

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necessarily understand something

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straight away doesn't mean we have to

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put a magic imagine

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over it and you certainly don't let that

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side of the show become too heavy it's

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sort of woven in to the show itself

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you're not up there preaching skepta I'm

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ready night any means no I mean your

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primary focus is to give a good

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entertained eh oh that's that's the goal

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there is that narrative people want it

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and it's it's gentle I you know I I do

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my little jerry springer outro at the

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end which is the 20 seconds or so which

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takes the wonderful quote from Douglas

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Adams for me then isn't the people ask

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me how you know what would our you you

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psychic do you believe in psychics so

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Douglas Adams quote there was enough

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beauty in the garden without believing

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in fairies at the bottom of it sums it

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up yeah but then people still take that

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as an indication that i'm saying our

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psychic which I don't you know two are

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too kind equals seven it that's that

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that's you'll need I guess at you know

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but I'm not that I'm really not there to

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promote any particular thing well I

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guess I'm there to promote thought beers

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you know just I asked I say that what

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you believe is fascinating but why you

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believe that that's really interesting

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and it's a hard question to ask and a

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hard crust part of why do I believe in

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that we were talking when we last saw

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each other about delusion and

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self-delusion yes and how can you

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possibly know but just being aware that

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you might be yeah even if you're not

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sentient of it and surrounding yourself

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with people that you can probably trust

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to tell you is is a good start yeah if

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if I'm writing assuming that you want to

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live free of that self delusion and I

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think most people would say they do most

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people would say they do except whether

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they want to is a different thing when

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it when it comes to the crunch the

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defense mechanism the human brain will

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rally to its own defense well

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extraordinary well and that was the

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Baptist's I think the mother of what and

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dr. Rachel in yourself and I talked

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about the first time we met up yeah that

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you can't just go breaking people's

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dreams and beliefs as skeptics as The

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Skeptical movement I think we have to

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become a little more sophisticated

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because the people that we are trying to

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or we that the skeptical movement is

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trying to expose for want of a better

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word offer their clients their people if

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they offer them something we just come

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and take that away and we don't replace

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it so going

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that example we talked about if you go

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to a low caste member of the engine

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society and who live a very difficult

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life by surly by our standards yeah and

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tell them there is no car so there is no

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reincarnation there is no life after

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death and look I can prove it look at my

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clever work here well piss off because I

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need to leave this reincarnation because

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otherwise I'm not getting up tomorrow

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morning because this is I need to

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believe I'm coming back for something

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else and we we tell our children father

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Christmas doesn't exist in a very gentle

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and careful way because we realized that

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too soon and you know some people don't

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agree with telling me Father Christmas

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exists in the first place and that's a

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different argument Germaine Greer is

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very against that and not be interesting

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how I deal with that with my children

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and that when that arises it's a mixed

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bag is there going to be the only kids

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in the class yeah but you know again do

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I want my children to be the pioneers

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probably not that but yes a skeptics we

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have to replace what we take away if

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somebody is bereaved and they're getting

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comfort in inverted commas from a

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skeptic and from a psychic or psychic

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yes they're not a skeptic well that

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would be nice and I think that's the

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point when we can prove this

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psychologically may be that that sort of

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those visits to the psychic inhibitor

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true grieving process so there is harm

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because you know one of the arguments as

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well even if these psychics are real is

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it really hurting anyone if that what is

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the harm are you mia so if we can show

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there is there is potentially harm we

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have we have to replace it with

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something else and for me the psychic

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community is is a symptom it's not the

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cause is a symptom of a need that exists

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and a skeptics if we're going to say

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well that isn't the solution that isn't

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the panacea save your money do something

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else we have to offer an alternative and

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we have to be kind of skeptics do you

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think oh it's very very as no one will

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listen otherwise if you're just going to

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bash people their defenses will go up

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and all the defenses are up anyway so

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you have to be even more even more

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careful but that's a very very difficult

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line to tread sometimes because we're

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all human and I

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I succumb to this from time to time

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where I just get this feeling that I

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have to act or do something which may

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come across as being hard or harsh or

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something like that it's a difficult

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what is that feeling why do you have to

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why do you have to do that what is it

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because if you told me about you know

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somebody you were testing in it and they

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clearly were sincere in their belief

535
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yeah and you were slowly dismantling it

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in front of their eyes yeah he just

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started feeling genuinely sorry why he

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died and he what up why did I why did I

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00:21:01,400 --> 00:20:59,010
need to do that in the first place and I

540
00:21:02,540 --> 00:21:01,410
kind of understand the answer but at the

541
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:02,550
same time it's important question to

542
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:05,490
keep revisiting young oh I and you were

543
00:21:09,410 --> 00:21:07,770
making the point before that I said I

544
00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:09,420
felt sorry for this particular guy

545
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:11,510
because I could tell he was sincere and

546
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:13,650
things were falling apart in front of

547
00:21:19,730 --> 00:21:17,010
him of course he quickly corrected it in

548
00:21:21,890 --> 00:21:19,740
his own mind so they're bulletproof in a

549
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:21,900
way yeah and you were saying maybe our

550
00:21:25,670 --> 00:21:24,210
sympathy should also lie with the

551
00:21:29,090 --> 00:21:25,680
genuine crooks out there because they're

552
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:29,100
there is such a morally bankrupt state

553
00:21:37,670 --> 00:21:34,890
yeah you know as yeah we don't steal not

554
00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:37,680
because I'm a good person or because i'm

555
00:21:42,860 --> 00:21:39,960
going to i want to get to heaven or I I

556
00:21:45,860 --> 00:21:42,870
don't steal because I've had an

557
00:21:47,450 --> 00:21:45,870
upbringing which has shown me I did when

558
00:21:50,060 --> 00:21:47,460
I was little you know I stole from my

559
00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:50,070
mom's purse I'm kind of silly yes but

560
00:21:53,090 --> 00:21:51,510
you were finding the boundaries and I

561
00:21:55,670 --> 00:21:53,100
think I stole sweets from sweet shops

562
00:21:58,030 --> 00:21:55,680
and they're awful really but but I've

563
00:22:03,470 --> 00:21:58,040
grown up to realize that that's not

564
00:22:05,210 --> 00:22:03,480
where my happiness lies and I I can't

565
00:22:07,580 --> 00:22:05,220
even put a new zealand dollar into her

566
00:22:09,020 --> 00:22:07,590
into it into the plate at a restaurant

567
00:22:11,030 --> 00:22:09,030
and it was pointed out to me yesterday

568
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:11,040
as they all know because i'll come out

569
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,810
someone's pay and i don't like them

570
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:14,400
living with that feelings there's a

571
00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:15,810
selfishly driven thing but i think

572
00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:17,370
everything is selfishly driven that's a

573
00:22:23,390 --> 00:22:19,910
good that's fine selfish is okay and

574
00:22:25,550 --> 00:22:23,400
thoughtless isn't but selfish is and so

575
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:25,560
the people that do do this and we were

576
00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:27,600
talking about very high profile faith

577
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:30,150
healers yeah and i'm traveling so yes i

578
00:22:33,860 --> 00:22:32,490
believe in the opposite of karma I don't

579
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:33,870
think if you do something bad something

580
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:35,610
bad will then happen to you I think if

581
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:36,690
you do something bad is because

582
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:38,320
something bad has already happened to

583
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:40,330
people who get kicked as children tend

584
00:22:43,759 --> 00:22:41,919
to do more kicking in later life than

585
00:22:46,289 --> 00:22:43,769
people who don't get kicked his children

586
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:46,299
you keep kicking a dog it will turn on

587
00:22:51,779 --> 00:22:50,320
you and start to bite and and it's not

588
00:22:53,310 --> 00:22:51,789
as satisfying because if you see

589
00:22:55,230 --> 00:22:53,320
somebody doing something nasty that

590
00:22:57,659 --> 00:22:55,240
feeling of well his comeuppance will

591
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,669
will will be imminent that's a nice

592
00:23:00,539 --> 00:22:58,960
feeling to feel there is this sort of

593
00:23:01,950 --> 00:23:00,549
checks and balances but there are plenty

594
00:23:03,870 --> 00:23:01,960
of people done some fairly horrific

595
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:03,880
things in this world who haven't had

596
00:23:08,669 --> 00:23:06,970
that and sort of seeming pennants come

597
00:23:10,139 --> 00:23:08,679
back their way yeah but I do believe

598
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:10,149
that something has happened to them at

599
00:23:17,369 --> 00:23:13,210
some point you show me a mass murderer a

600
00:23:19,049 --> 00:23:17,379
sex offender a prolific sort of nasty

601
00:23:20,490 --> 00:23:19,059
and I will show you a dysfunctional

602
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,500
child in some way now this isn't some

603
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:22,000
woolly liberal Oh everyone needs a

604
00:23:24,930 --> 00:23:23,200
cuddle and thats all over the world

605
00:23:28,980 --> 00:23:24,940
although I think a cuddle can go an

606
00:23:32,850 --> 00:23:28,990
awful long way but but it's a bit I'm

607
00:23:35,340 --> 00:23:32,860
not aware of any cases of mass offenders

608
00:23:38,220 --> 00:23:35,350
these sort of prolific serial killers

609
00:23:39,539 --> 00:23:38,230
who haven't had something quite dreadful

610
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,549
happen and it doesn't mean that they

611
00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:41,440
were brought up in bankruptcy or you can

612
00:23:45,149 --> 00:23:43,809
I think Burkina Faso until recently was

613
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:45,159
one of the happiest countries in the

614
00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:46,690
world although it was the poorest you

615
00:23:49,379 --> 00:23:47,769
know yeah I don't think that's the case

616
00:23:50,999 --> 00:23:49,389
anymore think one of the Scandinavians

617
00:23:53,570 --> 00:23:51,009
have taken over yeah but you know that

618
00:23:56,190 --> 00:23:53,580
it's not about that but it is about

619
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:56,200
unconditional love from parents I think

620
00:24:00,029 --> 00:23:58,240
that's about the biggest yeah the

621
00:24:01,860 --> 00:24:00,039
biggest boon you can be given in early

622
00:24:04,490 --> 00:24:01,870
life and not everyone gets that among

623
00:24:08,340 --> 00:24:04,500
you know so so these people who go out

624
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:08,350
and when we certainly room we know

625
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:09,370
you're talking about people in general

626
00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:11,049
but specifically as far as we're

627
00:24:17,460 --> 00:24:12,600
concerned we're talking about the people

628
00:24:19,139 --> 00:24:17,470
who hijacked what you do and some of the

629
00:24:21,629 --> 00:24:19,149
things I know how to do and pass

630
00:24:23,850 --> 00:24:21,639
themselves off as having magical psychic

631
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:23,860
powers or the ability to remove curses

632
00:24:28,409 --> 00:24:25,690
is a popular one you know yeah

633
00:24:29,970 --> 00:24:28,419
absolutely refer to them we as mind

634
00:24:36,090 --> 00:24:29,980
reader's we'd make more of their skills

635
00:24:39,090 --> 00:24:36,100
than they hit to box actually but that's

636
00:24:40,850 --> 00:24:39,100
not that's not so important but yes if

637
00:24:44,580 --> 00:24:40,860
you can if you can it absolutely

638
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:44,590
knowingly sell somebody who you know can

639
00:24:48,620 --> 00:24:45,840
ill afford it some

640
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,630
pendant or or or thing that you've made

641
00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:50,640
them belief will protect them from

642
00:24:55,549 --> 00:24:52,440
something and you've tapped into a

643
00:24:58,340 --> 00:24:55,559
vulnerability I'm glad I'm not that

644
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,350
person yeah I can't imagine that when

645
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:00,480
the lights go out at night and there's

646
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:02,850
no noise but it isn't very loud in their

647
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:04,770
head on some level and if it isn't there

648
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:06,570
even more detached from feeling anything

649
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:10,080
than those that do have a bit of a sort

650
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,679
of self-awareness and ie I think there

651
00:25:17,899 --> 00:25:16,080
would certainly be a percentage of them

652
00:25:20,180 --> 00:25:17,909
out there who would say oh this just

653
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:20,190
business yeah but i think the business

654
00:25:25,639 --> 00:25:23,250
but i think to do that business and not

655
00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:25,649
feel any kind of pang of conscience or

656
00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:28,169
conscience means that on the other end

657
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:29,700
of the spectrum you don't feel beautiful

658
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:32,250
kind lovely things easily you're just a

659
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:34,049
bit numb and the whole world is a bit

660
00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:36,570
numb to you and everyone is just another

661
00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:40,620
wallet to be to be raped and and i just

662
00:25:45,260 --> 00:25:42,179
swap with them for all the money in the

663
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:45,270
world because if you can't feel remorse

664
00:25:48,529 --> 00:25:46,770
at doing something wrong you can't feel

665
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:48,539
the equivalent at the other end of the

666
00:25:51,889 --> 00:25:50,370
emotional spectrum the joyous things the

667
00:25:54,169 --> 00:25:51,899
happy thing you're having things you

668
00:25:55,549 --> 00:25:54,179
can't trust anyone you can how can you

669
00:25:58,639 --> 00:25:55,559
trust anyone when you know you're doing

670
00:26:00,860 --> 00:25:58,649
such um it's just it's a it's a horribly

671
00:26:03,019 --> 00:26:00,870
bankrupt place to be I think for you and

672
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:03,029
I it certainly is you're certainly to

673
00:26:08,450 --> 00:26:06,570
contemplate that but I wonder what it is

674
00:26:11,419 --> 00:26:08,460
like to be in the head of someone like

675
00:26:12,980 --> 00:26:11,429
these traveling circus faith healers who

676
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,990
come to Australia from time to time the

677
00:26:20,299 --> 00:26:15,600
big production yeah thousands of people

678
00:26:22,340 --> 00:26:20,309
flocking in and the pantomime healings

679
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:22,350
they do on stage which is which are just

680
00:26:28,639 --> 00:26:26,610
crying Lee pathetic yeah yeah um I I oh

681
00:26:30,889 --> 00:26:28,649
I always find that when you see them

682
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:30,899
interviewed on a more one-to-one basis

683
00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:33,210
although they are brilliant in those big

684
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:37,080
faceless environments and they are

685
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:39,049
actually very awkward and uncomfortable

686
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:42,809
people when it gets a bit more intimate

687
00:26:46,340 --> 00:26:44,370
and personal they going to handle that

688
00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:46,350
very well maybe it's also the power trip

689
00:26:51,650 --> 00:26:47,820
I'm in these people who surround

690
00:26:55,150 --> 00:26:51,660
by an entourage you heard there has

691
00:26:57,380 --> 00:26:55,160
money flowing in money becomes almost

692
00:27:00,590 --> 00:26:57,390
irrelevant after a while it just becomes

693
00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:00,600
hard on often often these people

694
00:27:07,580 --> 00:27:04,620
probably didn't get a lot of detention

695
00:27:09,890 --> 00:27:07,590
at school and then they discovered that

696
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:09,900
well wait well because you can be king

697
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:11,400
of the castle when you're a cyclic no

698
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:13,770
one can prove you wrong yes such yeah

699
00:27:17,180 --> 00:27:15,450
yeah so suddenly there's this thing that

700
00:27:18,740 --> 00:27:17,190
gives them currency and invariably it's

701
00:27:21,050 --> 00:27:18,750
some of the more the world hadn't lost

702
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:21,060
people that start to gravitate towards

703
00:27:24,620 --> 00:27:23,400
them but then after the first you know

704
00:27:25,940 --> 00:27:24,630
the most punishing thing you can do to

705
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:25,950
any one particular child has send them

706
00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:27,480
to commentary as we say d I don't if you

707
00:27:30,290 --> 00:27:29,190
have that expression put don't talk to

708
00:27:32,030 --> 00:27:30,300
them we call it sending someone to

709
00:27:33,980 --> 00:27:32,040
Coventry oh yeah you just don't talk to

710
00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:33,990
them right it's the cruelest thing you

711
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:36,120
can do to it you know so that the kid

712
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:37,410
that runs around the playground just

713
00:27:42,290 --> 00:27:39,210
pulling peoples hair and punching them

714
00:27:44,270 --> 00:27:42,300
at least being told to piss off is

715
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:44,280
somebody communicating with them it's

716
00:27:48,380 --> 00:27:46,860
better than the silence of angel I can't

717
00:27:49,790 --> 00:27:48,390
haven't got the social skills to go and

718
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:49,800
make friends with anyone but at least if

719
00:27:53,870 --> 00:27:51,240
I run up to you punch you and run away

720
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,880
you will react to me and we know that

721
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:55,440
when you've got these examples of

722
00:28:00,770 --> 00:27:57,570
children for whatever reason being just

723
00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:00,780
kept in a stimulus free environment for

724
00:28:04,550 --> 00:28:03,240
whatever reason it is the most damaging

725
00:28:06,590 --> 00:28:04,560
thing and it's the hardest thing to

726
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,600
bring them back from if you know I'm not

727
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:08,640
a not a qualified psychologist in any

728
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:11,220
way and so I don't know that the period

729
00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:13,320
of time but I know you don't have to to

730
00:28:17,210 --> 00:28:15,150
leave a baby without stimulation for too

731
00:28:20,180 --> 00:28:17,220
long before some very permanent and and

732
00:28:22,490 --> 00:28:20,190
serious damage starts to take place so

733
00:28:24,110 --> 00:28:22,500
we are a social Beast so these people

734
00:28:25,940 --> 00:28:24,120
that turn into these big evangelists or

735
00:28:27,710 --> 00:28:25,950
whatever it may be invariably at school

736
00:28:30,590 --> 00:28:27,720
were the ones that had sand kicked in

737
00:28:32,570 --> 00:28:30,600
their face and and developing these

738
00:28:35,030 --> 00:28:32,580
skills and the power and the attention

739
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:35,040
that it gave is so important to them

740
00:28:39,410 --> 00:28:37,410
because it's the thing they craved so

741
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:39,420
new life in terms India like that's who

742
00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:41,220
they are I mean I saw a documentary with

743
00:28:45,980 --> 00:28:43,710
our friend the spoon bender mm-hmm and

744
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,990
he was in I think Romania he'd gone with

745
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:48,000
his family and he spent the first five

746
00:28:50,660 --> 00:28:49,110
minutes saying he wouldn't bend any

747
00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:50,670
spoons he was not an easy pal them you

748
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:52,440
know within seconds any air hostess it

749
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:53,970
down to watch was having a spoon bent

750
00:28:57,710 --> 00:28:56,610
for him then um but he was he was in

751
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:57,720
Romania and he was around

752
00:29:03,020 --> 00:28:59,580
by these kids who'd seen the camera crew

753
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:03,030
that was with him and and he said to

754
00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:05,850
them do you know who I am and who these

755
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:07,500
13 year old remaining kids had no idea

756
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:09,090
who he was so he didn't like that very

757
00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:11,490
much and then he said do you not Michael

758
00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:13,710
Jackson and they all said yeah Michael

759
00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:16,020
Jackson and then he said he's my friend

760
00:29:21,860 --> 00:29:19,350
now how how tragic is that really I mean

761
00:29:23,660 --> 00:29:21,870
it's laughable but blessing he just

762
00:29:26,270 --> 00:29:23,670
wants a cuddle that he's having to tell

763
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:26,280
these 13 year old kids that he's friends

764
00:29:33,020 --> 00:29:27,720
with Michael Jackson which is a moot

765
00:29:38,390 --> 00:29:33,030
point that he's their friend so that

766
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:38,400
they want to bother yeah yeah yeah yeah

767
00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:40,170
I'd rather be slightly less well for you

768
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:45,870
yeah well um now let's quickly discuss

769
00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:48,240
once again your show because I know how

770
00:29:53,180 --> 00:29:49,860
listen is especially those listeners in

771
00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:53,190
Adelaide now have the optic are you only

772
00:29:57,860 --> 00:29:55,020
see you and I think you've got some

773
00:29:59,900 --> 00:29:57,870
details I have yes and um I've never

774
00:30:01,940 --> 00:29:59,910
been to Adelaide I was beautiful I had

775
00:30:04,610 --> 00:30:01,950
lovely things about it and they're all

776
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:04,620
free settlers it makes psychology

777
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:07,620
different I'm led to believe Adelaide i

778
00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:10,110
will be at the in the garden of

779
00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:11,880
unearthly delights in the umbrella

780
00:30:17,150 --> 00:30:15,150
revolution which is a big top tent and

781
00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:17,160
i'll be performing at eight-forty-five

782
00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:19,080
between the twelfth of februari and the

783
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:21,720
14th of march excellent and then I

784
00:30:24,890 --> 00:30:23,010
trundle off to Melbourne aftermath

785
00:30:27,530 --> 00:30:24,900
journey Melbourne listeners and I'll be

786
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:27,540
a trait all between the 24th and the

787
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,970
18th and the new ballroom up there and I

788
00:30:33,140 --> 00:30:31,200
think it's seven o'clock there except

789
00:30:34,790 --> 00:30:33,150
Sundays when it's six well I can

790
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,800
certainly recommend that skeptics honest

791
00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:36,240
and it should get along our thank you

792
00:30:40,850 --> 00:30:38,520
very much and enjoy Phillip show and if

793
00:30:44,210 --> 00:30:40,860
you happen to a catch use attention

794
00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:44,220
after the show or have say hello oh

795
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:46,950
please do yeah yeah I'm like I think to

796
00:30:49,790 --> 00:30:48,600
be at the door and people leave me for

797
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:49,800
various reasons which we won't go into

798
00:30:54,990 --> 00:30:53,130
yep and yeah it's my favourite bit

799
00:30:56,220 --> 00:30:55,000
dancing away

800
00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:56,230
getting asked by pregnant ladies what

801
00:31:03,600 --> 00:30:58,690
it's gonna be they don't like the answer

802
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:03,610
ugly I don't say it you don't I do think

803
00:31:07,980 --> 00:31:06,730
you owe creditors hey that's good and if

804
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:07,990
people want to check out your website

805
00:31:12,750 --> 00:31:11,050
where should i head oh the website

806
00:31:15,810 --> 00:31:12,760
doesn't really have i have a website

807
00:31:17,340 --> 00:31:15,820
called dump ewww the greyman com but

808
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:17,350
that does not stop this really for the

809
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:18,730
corporate side of what I do there's also

810
00:31:23,850 --> 00:31:21,970
six impossible things co uk i think is a

811
00:31:25,260 --> 00:31:23,860
website alright that has details of

812
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:25,270
everything in fact all the details of

813
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:28,330
the upcoming shows i think is on ww six

814
00:31:34,410 --> 00:31:31,090
with the number six impossible things co

815
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,420
uk book ok so the website to run two is

816
00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:37,120
six impossible things that's what Dom

817
00:31:43,230 --> 00:31:40,990
numeral six yeah co dot uk' for lessons

818
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:43,240
I can't shake that up well Philip what a

819
00:31:47,070 --> 00:31:45,130
pleasure it's been to chat with you we

820
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:47,080
must have you back on the show anytime

821
00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:49,570
we can do this across across the big

822
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:51,670
Walter con quién weekend why not and as

823
00:31:57,210 --> 00:31:55,120
a thank you I'd like to give you a DVD

824
00:31:59,010 --> 00:31:57,220
of Australian poetry by a very own

825
00:32:00,510 --> 00:31:59,020
voiceover man Jim ocean i'm sure you can

826
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:00,520
enjoy that thank you very much that's a

827
00:32:04,410 --> 00:32:02,170
sort of bush poems and things like that

828
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:04,420
would be out back and all that don't

829
00:32:09,150 --> 00:32:05,770
have to believe I came to Australia and

830
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:09,160
I want to go home and my my producer got

831
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:11,170
me a lovely plate with the Sydney Opera

832
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:13,930
House on it so with this and this once i

833
00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:15,310
find that kangaroo i'm gonna put in my

834
00:32:19,890 --> 00:32:18,670
luggage thank you for that but next time

835
00:32:33,380 --> 00:32:19,900
you're in Sydney you'll be a most

836
00:32:41,130 --> 00:32:36,420
you're listening to the skeptic zone I'm

837
00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:41,140
Brian Dunning from sceptile com joining

838
00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:43,270
me now Vicki hide from the skeptics

839
00:32:47,610 --> 00:32:45,190
who's of course has convinced homeopathy

840
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:47,620
as a crock and married guys here from

841
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:50,050
the New Zealand Council of homeopaths

842
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:52,450
good evening good evening to you Mary

843
00:32:57,630 --> 00:32:54,970
now Vicki you don't overdose from these

844
00:32:59,520 --> 00:32:57,640
these the various tablets that you guys

845
00:33:02,670 --> 00:32:59,530
talk I mean doesn't it just tell you

846
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:02,680
that it's safe well that's the claim

847
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:04,330
that homeopaths make it safe because

848
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,910
it's just sugar or just water and in

849
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,320
fact New Zealand Council of homeopaths

850
00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:10,240
have finally admitted that there is no

851
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:12,400
actual material substances and their

852
00:33:15,630 --> 00:33:13,840
products yet they'll still charge you

853
00:33:17,340 --> 00:33:15,640
turned on as a teaspoon for it you might

854
00:33:18,450 --> 00:33:17,350
as well get it out of the tech what we

855
00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:18,460
are saying is that we think it's

856
00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:20,800
unethical for pharmacists to actually be

857
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:22,390
selling this product without letting

858
00:33:27,260 --> 00:33:23,770
people know that they're just selling

859
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:27,270
them water Mary can you tell us how

860
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:31,650
homeopathic remedies actually work I

861
00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:34,960
wish I could I know that they didn't

862
00:33:41,490 --> 00:33:38,500
work I let me do let me say something I

863
00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:41,500
know that they do work but how they work

864
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:44,920
is actually as was has already been said

865
00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:48,130
a mystery but I know no work and just

866
00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:50,470
because that they are harmless it

867
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:53,620
doesn't mean that there is not that

868
00:33:58,620 --> 00:33:56,110
there is nothing in the remedy that is

869
00:34:00,240 --> 00:33:58,630
going to help people or an animal you

870
00:34:02,190 --> 00:34:00,250
see Vicki especially is no mystery about

871
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:02,200
homeopathy works there's no mystery at

872
00:34:05,790 --> 00:34:03,850
all we do know how it works it works

873
00:34:07,050 --> 00:34:05,800
because the human body is really good at

874
00:34:08,850 --> 00:34:07,060
self-healing the homie pets have got

875
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:08,860
that right but they are exploiting that

876
00:34:12,870 --> 00:34:11,290
ability and making a really really large

877
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:12,880
amount of money off it and that's where

878
00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:14,410
we object to it if you're going to have

879
00:34:17,460 --> 00:34:16,270
informed consent you should tell people

880
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:17,470
we're relying on the placebo effect

881
00:34:22,530 --> 00:34:20,560
that's it when you start losing it i

882
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:22,540
mean there's you say exploiting i mean

883
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,010
do you think you don't believe that

884
00:34:28,050 --> 00:34:25,919
these are well-meaning people Vicki hide

885
00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:28,060
well you can be well meaning as much as

886
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:28,990
you like but that doesn't mean to say

887
00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:30,850
that delusion or deception or a viable

888
00:34:35,220 --> 00:34:33,790
means of of product development we don't

889
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:35,230
accept that from any of our product

890
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:36,370
lines of one form or another we have

891
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,570
fair trading act where can see

892
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:39,760
if people say that a product contains

893
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:41,440
something it should contain something

894
00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:43,570
not just once upon a time and everything

895
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:45,250
America oh yes we're talking a little

896
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,130
issuers yes um it it's not your your

897
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:53,520
these people these materially some

898
00:35:00,720 --> 00:34:56,970
skeptics they are materialists there is

899
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:00,730
something happening in that remedy when

900
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:02,950
it is potent tized you know that you

901
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:05,680
have to start with a substance and it's

902
00:35:10,290 --> 00:35:07,690
potent eyes using water something

903
00:35:12,420 --> 00:35:10,300
happens to that water when the remedy is

904
00:35:15,690 --> 00:35:12,430
potent eyes mirror you know it sounds

905
00:35:18,930 --> 00:35:15,700
like it sounds a bit like magic well I'm

906
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:18,940
sorry so we're waiting for science to

907
00:35:27,390 --> 00:35:23,250
catch up we know that dr. luc montagnier

908
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:27,400
has recently done a study he's a Nobel

909
00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:30,400
Prize winner he's a virologist and he

910
00:35:35,810 --> 00:35:33,430
has a as a result of his study we think

911
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:35,820
now that possibly it is something

912
00:35:40,830 --> 00:35:38,800
electromagnetic that is transit that

913
00:35:42,330 --> 00:35:40,840
happens in the water Miriah Turner had a

914
00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:42,340
lot of people find out hard to get their

915
00:35:46,890 --> 00:35:44,350
head around as principal that the more

916
00:35:49,230 --> 00:35:46,900
you dilute something yes the more

917
00:35:52,290 --> 00:35:49,240
effective it's going to be I'm sorry

918
00:35:56,940 --> 00:35:52,300
that's not actually true you have to

919
00:36:00,540 --> 00:35:56,950
match the energy or the potency of the

920
00:36:03,180 --> 00:36:00,550
remedy with a person okay now if you get

921
00:36:05,820 --> 00:36:03,190
a good match then you'll get a response

922
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:05,830
and sometimes you'll get a good match at

923
00:36:09,630 --> 00:36:07,810
a high potency sometimes you'll get a

924
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:09,640
good match at a low potent how do you

925
00:36:13,740 --> 00:36:10,810
get a good mate ship you don't know how

926
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:13,750
it works merely because through

927
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:16,090
observation you get a good match by

928
00:36:20,460 --> 00:36:18,310
taking the case by little issah ting the

929
00:36:23,310 --> 00:36:20,470
symptoms from the patient and matching

930
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:23,320
them using a database with the symptoms

931
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:26,170
of the remedy when you have a good match

932
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:28,570
get a response okay Ricky hide if it

933
00:36:33,090 --> 00:36:30,730
doesn't do any harm and if people think

934
00:36:35,550 --> 00:36:33,100
they get a benefit out of it what

935
00:36:36,990 --> 00:36:35,560
difference does it make well we know

936
00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:37,000
ninety-four percent of people in New

937
00:36:40,050 --> 00:36:38,590
Zealand who use homeopathic products

938
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:40,060
aren't aware that there are no active

939
00:36:43,830 --> 00:36:42,130
ingredients in it they haven't been told

940
00:36:45,570 --> 00:36:43,840
that by the pharmacist they haven't been

941
00:36:47,370 --> 00:36:45,580
told that by the homeopath we think

942
00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:47,380
that's actually very very deceptive and

943
00:36:50,340 --> 00:36:48,790
very misleading and certainly

944
00:36:51,930 --> 00:36:50,350
pharmacists should not be supporting

945
00:36:53,370 --> 00:36:51,940
that sort of thing we also know that

946
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:53,380
people have died because they have

947
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:55,330
relied on a homeopathic preparations we

948
00:36:59,400 --> 00:36:57,490
have coroner's Kate case cases of that

949
00:37:02,100 --> 00:36:59,410
dating back some years the what's the

950
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:02,110
harm net has over 500 I think it is at

951
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,970
the stage cases where homeopathy has

952
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:05,680
caused harm and people because they've

953
00:37:10,530 --> 00:37:07,770
either relied upon it or they've had

954
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:10,540
very very bad problems associated with

955
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:12,370
it when it's mixed with other herbal

956
00:37:17,370 --> 00:37:15,010
kinds of beliefs okay maybe can I deal

957
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:17,380
with first of all this idea that people

958
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,010
are harming themselves by not by taking

959
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,720
homeopathic remedies when they should be

960
00:37:27,540 --> 00:37:24,960
doing another form of treatment

961
00:37:29,970 --> 00:37:27,550
fortunately in New Zealand people are

962
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:29,980
pretty sensible and registered

963
00:37:34,650 --> 00:37:32,170
homeopaths also have made it have

964
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:34,660
training in medical science and of

965
00:37:40,050 --> 00:37:37,450
course no one would suggest that anyone

966
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,060
should rely on anyone system of medicine

967
00:37:44,850 --> 00:37:42,880
if it is not working if that is still in

968
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:44,860
the coroner tape that people think your

969
00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:47,200
quakes I beg your pardon do you accept

970
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:48,670
that some people look at you and think

971
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:52,330
to your quakes of course and doesn't

972
00:37:59,340 --> 00:37:57,610
bother us no because we know that you

973
00:38:01,950 --> 00:37:59,350
can call it an active ingredient if you

974
00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:01,960
like but there is something happening in

975
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:05,260
that water that is there and is active

976
00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:08,710
and is effective we know that ok marrick

977
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,840
Mary glaze you in front of the Council

978
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:12,480
of homey peasant Vicky hide in

979
00:38:17,130 --> 00:38:15,610
Christchurch the homie pets also have

980
00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:17,140
invited Vicky hide to come for a

981
00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:18,340
treatment would be interested to see

982
00:38:26,610 --> 00:38:23,470
what sort of reaction that game hi

983
00:38:28,590 --> 00:38:26,620
everyone this is andy kaiser Richard

984
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,600
Saunders was nice enough to let me

985
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:30,880
interrupt the skeptic zone to tell you

986
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:33,250
about another gust of wind in the

987
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:36,090
maelstrom of worldwide critical thought

988
00:38:41,570 --> 00:38:39,060
digital bits skeptic is a podcast

989
00:38:43,940 --> 00:38:41,580
dedicated to skepticism and critical

990
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:43,950
thinking in our world of New Age

991
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:46,910
religion and credulous pop culture I

992
00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:50,160
myself write a few articles but most are

993
00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:52,590
written by everyone else and they're

994
00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:55,470
paid for that effort if you're an expert

995
00:38:59,930 --> 00:38:58,200
in your field if you need a forum or if

996
00:39:02,570 --> 00:38:59,940
you want to make an impact on not just

997
00:39:06,260 --> 00:39:02,580
the skeptical community but the world at

998
00:39:08,060 --> 00:39:06,270
large I'd like to talk to you or if you

999
00:39:11,110 --> 00:39:08,070
just like to listen to a quality

1000
00:39:16,130 --> 00:39:11,120
skeptical minded podcast that's great to

1001
00:39:25,509 --> 00:39:16,140
find digital bit skeptic at WWDC be

1002
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:28,969
join us now for drinking skeptically in

1003
00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:40,170
the think tank well dr. Chrissy we don't

1004
00:39:43,999 --> 00:39:41,910
edit anything out of the think tank but

1005
00:39:48,349 --> 00:39:44,009
i'd like to welcome you don't be pushing

1006
00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:48,359
look he's choking after chrissy wilson

1007
00:39:52,609 --> 00:39:50,430
also know a warm welcome to the skeptic

1008
00:39:58,699 --> 00:39:52,619
zone team thank you very much it's a

1009
00:40:00,739 --> 00:39:58,709
pleasure thanks girls sorry guys alright

1010
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:00,749
but recording so welcome to the skeptic

1011
00:40:07,819 --> 00:40:04,440
zone team dr. chrissy wilson and welcome

1012
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:07,829
indeed to the think tank and now

1013
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,160
favorite club down the street as we say

1014
00:40:16,999 --> 00:40:13,440
i'd also like to welcome Joe Benna mu

1015
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:17,009
hello Joe hey Richard hello Dinah shop

1016
00:40:21,170 --> 00:40:19,170
and hi Diane I know you're itchin I'm

1017
00:40:24,549 --> 00:40:21,180
fine and you're looking after Angus the

1018
00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:28,459
she's given up on rabbits and that

1019
00:40:34,539 --> 00:40:31,079
laughs listen as you know it so well

1020
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,549
it's dr. Rachel hi dr. a pirate ship I

1021
00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:36,960
think I got an gas the car for you

1022
00:40:41,569 --> 00:40:39,660
didn't know yes I did you did I spent a

1023
00:40:43,609 --> 00:40:41,579
few days glorious days with my good old

1024
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,619
friend Jim wilshire Jim's the man who

1025
00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:46,079
does the voiceover he says that's right

1026
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,640
welcome to the skeptics on the podcast

1027
00:40:51,229 --> 00:40:49,680
precise end and he does yours and now

1028
00:40:54,190 --> 00:40:51,239
it's time for dr. AG report so that

1029
00:40:57,519 --> 00:40:54,200
seemed fast Jim he lives on a little

1030
00:41:00,529 --> 00:40:57,529
property down near the Victorian border

1031
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:00,539
beautiful rolling countryside and great

1032
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:03,450
time spend spend a few days now what an

1033
00:41:08,209 --> 00:41:05,910
interesting week it's been in skepticism

1034
00:41:10,219 --> 00:41:08,219
which it always is isn't it lately it is

1035
00:41:12,109 --> 00:41:10,229
it seems Richard every week so you start

1036
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,119
happening at the moment let me cover a

1037
00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:15,119
few quick points that our listeners may

1038
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:17,400
be interested in now if you're living in

1039
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:20,160
the acct and Cameron Canberra skeptics

1040
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:21,839
in the pub how having their first

1041
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,329
skeptics in the pub apparently this is

1042
00:41:29,809 --> 00:41:26,640
the 4 p.m. saturday the 21st affair

1043
00:41:34,099 --> 00:41:29,819
Barry at King o'malley's irish pub which

1044
00:41:36,019 --> 00:41:34,109
is 131 city walk in canberra center so

1045
00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:36,029
there you go I think I've been to that

1046
00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:38,700
pub it's in civic I think although there

1047
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:40,380
are a few Irish pubs in the century

1048
00:41:44,930 --> 00:41:42,170
you've all right a lot of clubs right

1049
00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:44,940
there's an oil rig everywhere in the

1050
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:47,020
world yes there is yeah

1051
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:50,220
there is I've been to an Irish pub in

1052
00:41:55,830 --> 00:41:54,160
everywhere strange indeed by E I think

1053
00:42:01,980 --> 00:41:55,840
with irish strangely there are none in

1054
00:42:03,690 --> 00:42:01,990
Ireland because they always so Canberra

1055
00:42:06,510 --> 00:42:03,700
skeptics there's your chance and

1056
00:42:08,970 --> 00:42:06,520
actually we've all been invited to go we

1057
00:42:10,650 --> 00:42:08,980
have we have from Andrew i think i don't

1058
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:10,660
know how if we can all note at this

1059
00:42:14,130 --> 00:42:11,890
stage but you would be it would be

1060
00:42:17,220 --> 00:42:14,140
lovely to zoom down there to get a

1061
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:17,230
skeptic zone but then we could do our

1062
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:21,040
own bus announcement she do a national

1063
00:42:30,270 --> 00:42:27,130
tour you want to drive yes all right my

1064
00:42:32,820 --> 00:42:30,280
nose Joe why you're providing knows we

1065
00:42:39,180 --> 00:42:32,830
must say happy birthday happy birthday

1066
00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:39,190
dear for yesterday is great stuff um all

1067
00:42:42,570 --> 00:42:41,110
right now before we get on with what

1068
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:42,580
you've brought everybody let me start

1069
00:42:48,690 --> 00:42:46,110
the more serious side of today's show

1070
00:42:52,740 --> 00:42:48,700
today's think tank I received in the

1071
00:42:54,450 --> 00:42:52,750
post a few days ago this wonderful DVD

1072
00:42:57,930 --> 00:42:54,460
which I have in front of me homeopathy

1073
00:43:01,350 --> 00:42:57,940
for health and immunization plus the

1074
00:43:04,170 --> 00:43:01,360
treatment of vaccine damage this is by

1075
00:43:07,860 --> 00:43:04,180
this wonderful woman Fran Sheffield from

1076
00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:07,870
homeopathy plus homeopathy plus the

1077
00:43:11,940 --> 00:43:09,430
website that was asked to put a

1078
00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:11,950
retraction the website that got into a

1079
00:43:16,590 --> 00:43:14,230
lot of trouble from the Therapeutic

1080
00:43:18,690 --> 00:43:16,600
Goods Administration which is our sort

1081
00:43:21,350 --> 00:43:18,700
of consumer drug watchdog in this

1082
00:43:24,420 --> 00:43:21,360
country because they were making

1083
00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:24,430
unsubstantiated claims about homeopathy

1084
00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:28,200
being useful as a substitute for

1085
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:31,030
conventional vaccinations and they were

1086
00:43:34,770 --> 00:43:32,770
reported to the Therapeutic Goods

1087
00:43:38,430 --> 00:43:34,780
Administration by a gentleman by the

1088
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:38,440
name of dr. ken harvey who sent in a

1089
00:43:42,420 --> 00:43:40,000
very long complained detailing where

1090
00:43:45,660 --> 00:43:42,430
they had actually broken sort of the

1091
00:43:48,059 --> 00:43:45,670
advertising standards rules and the TGA

1092
00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:48,069
decided that that was too

1093
00:43:53,309 --> 00:43:51,190
that was the case and so they sent out a

1094
00:43:55,049 --> 00:43:53,319
very long letter to homeopathy plus

1095
00:43:57,089 --> 00:43:55,059
saying that they had to take these

1096
00:43:58,890 --> 00:43:57,099
things from their website and in

1097
00:44:01,439 --> 00:43:58,900
addition to that they had to publish a

1098
00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:01,449
retraction which said amongst other

1099
00:44:05,759 --> 00:44:03,160
things we shouldn't have said that

1100
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:05,769
homeopathy is effective in the place of

1101
00:44:11,489 --> 00:44:08,529
vaccines we were wrong and that should

1102
00:44:14,459 --> 00:44:11,499
have appeared on I think the 29th of

1103
00:44:16,739 --> 00:44:14,469
January yeah yeah yeah and it still

1104
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:16,749
didn't not there still are still waiting

1105
00:44:22,529 --> 00:44:20,410
for it well not only that because i was

1106
00:44:24,059 --> 00:44:22,539
visiting that website to make sure that

1107
00:44:25,949 --> 00:44:24,069
they were complying when of course they

1108
00:44:28,620 --> 00:44:25,959
did not comply and that's where i came

1109
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:28,630
across this DVD which i subsequently

1110
00:44:35,459 --> 00:44:31,569
bought for twelve dollars fifty plus

1111
00:44:37,229 --> 00:44:35,469
postage and handling and still as of

1112
00:44:40,259 --> 00:44:37,239
today and we're recording this on the

1113
00:44:42,509 --> 00:44:40,269
10th the 10th of februari as of today

1114
00:44:44,579 --> 00:44:42,519
and listeners probably no doubt when you

1115
00:44:51,809 --> 00:44:44,589
hear this show on their website they

1116
00:44:57,029 --> 00:44:51,819
have a page homeopathy plus dot com / as

1117
00:45:00,989 --> 00:44:57,039
homeopathy plus com dot a u / h + / shop

1118
00:45:02,370 --> 00:45:00,999
+ / dvds dat HTML but you can just

1119
00:45:04,650 --> 00:45:02,380
follow the links from homeopathy plus

1120
00:45:07,259 --> 00:45:04,660
this is the selling point for this

1121
00:45:09,180 --> 00:45:07,269
particular DVD which I bought and we get

1122
00:45:11,069 --> 00:45:09,190
to watch but we will watch it we're

1123
00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:11,079
gonna make you actually I'm gonna make

1124
00:45:17,459 --> 00:45:12,910
you reviewed make you watch it reviewed

1125
00:45:23,180 --> 00:45:17,469
so this is movie night yeah that's true

1126
00:45:27,989 --> 00:45:26,009
these are the selling points as seen on

1127
00:45:30,359 --> 00:45:27,999
the website of homeopathy plus for this

1128
00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:30,369
DVD homeopathy for health health and

1129
00:45:36,779 --> 00:45:34,900
immunization come here we go my friend

1130
00:45:41,450 --> 00:45:36,789
sheffield and lots of initials after her

1131
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:41,460
name one of which is RN jones I'm where

1132
00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:44,410
Bulgaria's elston popped on with your

1133
00:45:49,530 --> 00:45:47,020
Lewisham Sunday oh that's the next 30

1134
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:49,540
boxes like this client servicing Austin

1135
00:45:55,830 --> 00:45:52,690
part don't you lose something thank you

1136
00:45:58,260 --> 00:45:55,840
and thank you oh we have another bus

1137
00:46:01,740 --> 00:45:58,270
announcement I me so just just on that

1138
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:01,750
note yeah you know look every every

1139
00:46:07,710 --> 00:46:05,110
profession has got practitioners who you

1140
00:46:11,370 --> 00:46:07,720
know devil in whoo some sort or another

1141
00:46:14,580 --> 00:46:11,380
but um I so often see registered nurses

1142
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:14,590
and registered midwives you know using

1143
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:18,010
using their their qualifications along

1144
00:46:23,940 --> 00:46:21,310
his life in practicing yeah the sort of

1145
00:46:26,250 --> 00:46:23,950
stuff this is tell him okay here we go

1146
00:46:29,550 --> 00:46:26,260
here are the selling points did you know

1147
00:46:31,950 --> 00:46:29,560
did you know homeopathy works well as as

1148
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:31,960
well as antibiotics without the side

1149
00:46:38,310 --> 00:46:34,720
effects or risk of thrush that's good to

1150
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:38,320
know you can you can use homeopathy for

1151
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:40,450
yourself and your family members to

1152
00:46:45,930 --> 00:46:42,730
treat many acute problems such as coughs

1153
00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:45,940
colds indigestion sprains and strains

1154
00:46:53,580 --> 00:46:51,070
and more well homeopathy treats serious

1155
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:53,590
mental / emotional and physical

1156
00:46:59,040 --> 00:46:56,800
disorders that's dunno dangerous rajula

1157
00:47:01,200 --> 00:46:59,050
this is dangerous person did you also

1158
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:01,210
know that homeopathy can immunized

1159
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:04,210
babies children adults and travelers

1160
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:06,610
against epidemic diseases such as

1161
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:10,560
measles meningococcal disease hib

1162
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:14,650
typhoid whooping cough and hepatitis all

1163
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:17,920
right homeopathy even treats companion

1164
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:20,650
and farm animals and immunize errs and

1165
00:47:26,610 --> 00:47:23,700
immunize against their epidemic diseases

1166
00:47:29,940 --> 00:47:26,620
so friends sheffield homeopath and

1167
00:47:31,330 --> 00:47:29,950
Midwife covers these points see they're

1168
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:31,340
impressed

1169
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:33,410
out there walking out of the room we

1170
00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:36,170
used to record in France Sheffield

1171
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:38,030
homeopath and Midwife covers these

1172
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:40,250
points and more as she explains how you

1173
00:47:44,980 --> 00:47:43,040
can use homeopathy for safe immunization

1174
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:44,990
or the treatment of everyday health

1175
00:47:50,110 --> 00:47:48,290
problems and so on this DVD places

1176
00:47:52,270 --> 00:47:50,120
healthcare at your fingertips and is a

1177
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:52,280
must for anyone interested in safely

1178
00:47:59,500 --> 00:47:54,170
treating their family's health problems

1179
00:48:00,730 --> 00:47:59,510
twelve dollars fifty so but you know you

1180
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:00,740
know on the front page of her website

1181
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:02,810
recently she had something about a

1182
00:48:07,390 --> 00:48:04,850
homeopathic slug repellent for quite a

1183
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:07,400
number of days and then she made a claim

1184
00:48:10,210 --> 00:48:09,050
somewhere on her website and I reckon

1185
00:48:12,190 --> 00:48:10,220
this is probably the only thing I've

1186
00:48:19,570 --> 00:48:12,200
read on that it's actually correct is

1187
00:48:21,850 --> 00:48:19,580
that homeopathy is good for plants all

1188
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:21,860
right now one of this sorry do what I

1189
00:48:26,380 --> 00:48:23,570
was going to say that was some I mean

1190
00:48:29,950 --> 00:48:26,390
you know that's nothing new you've heard

1191
00:48:32,350 --> 00:48:29,960
it all the ball hmm you know the TGA

1192
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:32,360
have said the big heart is saying this

1193
00:48:37,390 --> 00:48:34,490
sort of stuff and I think legislation is

1194
00:48:39,340 --> 00:48:37,400
actually not so yeah Rachel I have

1195
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:39,350
discussed this before and the thing is

1196
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,370
where are the teeth of the bodies that

1197
00:48:46,810 --> 00:48:44,960
are supposed to be doing something about

1198
00:48:49,450 --> 00:48:46,820
this than maybe they've been given this

1199
00:48:50,890 --> 00:48:49,460
ruling they're not complying what are

1200
00:48:52,180 --> 00:48:50,900
they going to do about it ok I can give

1201
00:48:53,650 --> 00:48:52,190
you a little bit of an update to that

1202
00:48:56,850 --> 00:48:53,660
because I've been in touch with dr.

1203
00:48:59,650 --> 00:48:56,860
Harvey who submitted this complaint and

1204
00:49:02,350 --> 00:48:59,660
the TGA were going to give homeopathy

1205
00:49:04,420 --> 00:49:02,360
plus a couple of days of grace before

1206
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:04,430
they take this off as an absolute

1207
00:49:08,350 --> 00:49:06,770
non-compliance and once they had done

1208
00:49:10,570 --> 00:49:08,360
that then they were going to take

1209
00:49:12,970 --> 00:49:10,580
further action now the TGA moves at

1210
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:12,980
glacial speeds as you know they're very

1211
00:49:18,780 --> 00:49:15,530
slow to do anything the other problem is

1212
00:49:20,830 --> 00:49:18,790
that in fifty percent of cases of

1213
00:49:23,470 --> 00:49:20,840
companies like this that don't comply

1214
00:49:25,690 --> 00:49:23,480
they just never do and the TGA doesn't

1215
00:49:27,550 --> 00:49:25,700
do anything about it now this is partly

1216
00:49:29,230 --> 00:49:27,560
because they don't have the manpower

1217
00:49:32,020 --> 00:49:29,240
they don't have the staff it's also

1218
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:32,030
partly because they are funded by the

1219
00:49:37,630 --> 00:49:34,130
money they get from the drugs that they

1220
00:49:39,580 --> 00:49:37,640
look after so if they are striking off

1221
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:39,590
for everyone that's funding them then

1222
00:49:43,350 --> 00:49:41,110
they're not going to be

1223
00:49:46,260 --> 00:49:43,360
funded anymore so that's a you know that

1224
00:49:50,460 --> 00:49:46,270
that is in itself a critical fault in

1225
00:49:52,260 --> 00:49:50,470
how their run and thirdly they do have

1226
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:52,270
the ability to prosecute in fact there

1227
00:49:57,060 --> 00:49:55,210
is a rule that says they can find them

1228
00:49:59,640 --> 00:49:57,070
up to thirty three thousand dollars for

1229
00:50:03,180 --> 00:49:59,650
non-compliance but as far as dr. Harvey

1230
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:03,190
is aware that's never been exercised so

1231
00:50:06,690 --> 00:50:04,450
we've been having a little bit of a chat

1232
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:06,700
recently and with some other people as

1233
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:08,170
well and this is probably going to be

1234
00:50:13,830 --> 00:50:12,250
our next big campaign because he hears

1235
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:13,840
of the opinion that the only way we're

1236
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:15,850
going to shift them into gear is to get

1237
00:50:20,970 --> 00:50:18,880
a lot of publicity either media wise and

1238
00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:20,980
political push so we're going to have to

1239
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:23,140
do what we've done in the past we

1240
00:50:27,390 --> 00:50:24,730
haven't going to have to get through get

1241
00:50:28,890 --> 00:50:27,400
a whole bunch of people together and do

1242
00:50:32,010 --> 00:50:28,900
some activism that's the only way we're

1243
00:50:33,870 --> 00:50:32,020
going to change it so there's a lot of

1244
00:50:35,970 --> 00:50:33,880
other stuff out there that is probably

1245
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:35,980
getting close to as bad as what

1246
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:37,810
something like hanging cross is doing

1247
00:50:42,060 --> 00:50:39,730
but people just don't have the time and

1248
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:42,070
the resources to be able to connect them

1249
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:43,930
up I must say what really got me was the

1250
00:50:48,570 --> 00:50:46,330
fact that despite all this right now on

1251
00:50:52,770 --> 00:50:48,580
their website they're selling that DVD

1252
00:50:59,460 --> 00:50:52,780
as I read up plus and this is the worst

1253
00:51:04,590 --> 00:50:59,470
haul the DVD starts with her alfalfa and

1254
00:51:06,060 --> 00:51:04,600
the Tijuana bro he's not annoyed because

1255
00:51:10,290 --> 00:51:06,070
of them is annoyed because they're

1256
00:51:11,940 --> 00:51:10,300
breaking the copyright episode as I mean

1257
00:51:13,860 --> 00:51:11,950
I you can make your bottom dollar that

1258
00:51:16,020 --> 00:51:13,870
just used all the stewardship see but

1259
00:51:18,090 --> 00:51:16,030
it's good oh oh

1260
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:18,100
while richard has a soft spot for her

1261
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:21,130
out but I read a taste of me I know it's

1262
00:51:24,990 --> 00:51:23,410
your favorite is it ruined it for you

1263
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:25,000
there I'll never look at hardly

1264
00:51:29,940 --> 00:51:27,790
obviously just scream again speaking of

1265
00:51:31,230 --> 00:51:29,950
speaking of which some some of you may

1266
00:51:33,740 --> 00:51:31,240
have seen me Twitter this the other day

1267
00:51:46,350 --> 00:51:33,750
but this is now my ringtone here we go

1268
00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:46,360
look medicine and n Rachel Rachel when

1269
00:51:50,250 --> 00:51:48,070
when we were driving home from the

1270
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:50,260
mystery investigators oh yeah listeners

1271
00:51:52,980 --> 00:51:51,490
would have heard that on the last

1272
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:52,990
episode where we did great show and

1273
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:54,730
thank you dr. Chrissy for being part of

1274
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:57,010
the show you were the most you've got

1275
00:52:00,120 --> 00:51:58,720
the biggest applause at the Internet

1276
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:00,130
sorry she got the biggest round of

1277
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:04,330
applause wait obviously these kids sorta

1278
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:09,040
yeah she she bribed them with Mindy's we

1279
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:11,440
were driving back and we knew the Sydney

1280
00:52:14,460 --> 00:52:12,850
Harbour Bridge work that's across the

1281
00:52:16,290 --> 00:52:14,470
city haven't been my phone ring in my

1282
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:16,300
pocket I've got to agree in homeopathic

1283
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:18,880
meds okay here it is pass the phone to

1284
00:52:21,540 --> 00:52:20,710
Rachel straightaway because I simply

1285
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:21,550
don't answer the phone when I'm driving

1286
00:52:30,510 --> 00:52:28,000
and it was it was Phil playing telling

1287
00:52:32,610 --> 00:52:30,520
us telling each the biggies he was a

1288
00:52:34,620 --> 00:52:32,620
little bit frantic Ashley and he was

1289
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:34,630
saying where are you guys why don't you

1290
00:52:37,860 --> 00:52:36,370
on the internet you wanna guys and now

1291
00:52:41,460 --> 00:52:37,870
you're not what's going on and I was

1292
00:52:44,340 --> 00:52:41,470
like whoa um what he was ringing to tell

1293
00:52:46,590 --> 00:52:44,350
us that a special newsletter had gone

1294
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,600
out from our favorite anti-vaxxers the

1295
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:48,240
Australian vaccination network

1296
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:50,290
announcing that they were clearly closed

1297
00:53:00,480 --> 00:52:58,080
but it was it was just one of those

1298
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:00,490
moments you never forget you're driving

1299
00:53:03,570 --> 00:53:02,290
a near the Sydney Harbour Bridge and

1300
00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:03,580
Phil Plait rings the phone well I

1301
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:05,950
actually I interested a bad word or two

1302
00:53:11,130 --> 00:53:08,800
actually you did it gets up was a bit

1303
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:11,140
shocked well I mean I should is this

1304
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:15,040
really Phil Plait you see well it was so

1305
00:53:18,450 --> 00:53:16,810
weird because it was a real plates voice

1306
00:53:19,770 --> 00:53:18,460
and I knew it was full plate but but he

1307
00:53:22,260 --> 00:53:19,780
was telling me something that was so

1308
00:53:24,060 --> 00:53:22,270
unbelievable to me at the time that

1309
00:53:26,730 --> 00:53:24,070
I said is this a crank call is this

1310
00:53:28,830 --> 00:53:26,740
really full plate and he said to his

1311
00:53:31,850 --> 00:53:28,840
wife in the background he said how can I

1312
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:31,860
prove its phil plait and so then he said

1313
00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:35,110
draw bleed robley which is the word that

1314
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:37,270
he invented he thinks it's Australian

1315
00:53:42,780 --> 00:53:40,930
slang but it isn't so then I knew that

1316
00:53:47,220 --> 00:53:42,790
it was him because nobody else except

1317
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:47,230
for Richards uses that work yeah so that

1318
00:53:50,340 --> 00:53:48,610
was that was her that was quite the

1319
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:50,350
experience yeah but the funny thing too

1320
00:53:54,060 --> 00:53:52,000
was your response because you couldn't

1321
00:53:56,310 --> 00:53:54,070
hear what was happy yeah and all you

1322
00:54:02,430 --> 00:53:56,320
could hear me was going what no you're

1323
00:54:07,950 --> 00:54:02,440
joking the beep I'm driving to you what

1324
00:54:11,940 --> 00:54:07,960
is Phil tellin ya there's Mars about the

1325
00:54:14,190 --> 00:54:11,950
clay let's go home couldn't find that is

1326
00:54:18,420 --> 00:54:14,200
yes but should we just briefly summarize

1327
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:18,430
that story yeah um so just quickly she

1328
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,110
sent that email on the third of februari

1329
00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:22,480
saying that she was going to close down

1330
00:54:28,350 --> 00:54:24,310
and then if you sort of read the body of

1331
00:54:30,090 --> 00:54:28,360
the text it explains that she was only

1332
00:54:32,970 --> 00:54:30,100
going to do it she couldn't get a large

1333
00:54:34,860 --> 00:54:32,980
injection of cash which of course Phil

1334
00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:34,870
said exploited his irony meter because

1335
00:54:41,660 --> 00:54:39,030
rejection she's hurt injection and then

1336
00:54:44,670 --> 00:54:41,670
two days later she sent another one

1337
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:44,680
clarifying that she would be closing but

1338
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:47,410
only if she couldn't get money and then

1339
00:54:51,690 --> 00:54:49,330
two days later she sent another one with

1340
00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:51,700
a big masthead saying avian closing down

1341
00:54:57,240 --> 00:54:54,040
sale twenty percent of all educational

1342
00:54:59,820 --> 00:54:57,250
material and and books and DVDs and that

1343
00:55:01,770 --> 00:54:59,830
was sent what about four days ago so

1344
00:55:05,490 --> 00:55:01,780
then she wrote a blog on age of autism

1345
00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:05,500
saying that she wanted money which was

1346
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:08,230
actually I'm almost word-for-word a

1347
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:11,410
repeat of something about seven other

1348
00:55:15,090 --> 00:55:13,810
things that she's published not nothing

1349
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:15,100
original in any of it a lot of it was

1350
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:16,810
just the same stuff over

1351
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:19,330
yeah well this is the quote from her she

1352
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:21,010
said without a large injection of

1353
00:55:25,530 --> 00:55:22,810
capital behind me I simply cannot

1354
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:25,540
continue and she's asking for quote a

1355
00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:27,850
benefactor or series of benefactors to

1356
00:55:31,710 --> 00:55:29,710
come forward to establish a fund that

1357
00:55:33,810 --> 00:55:31,720
would guarantee the avians existence for

1358
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:33,820
the next three years but then she also

1359
00:55:40,830 --> 00:55:37,090
sent another email to her members asking

1360
00:55:43,110 --> 00:55:40,840
them to donate a hundred dollars each in

1361
00:55:44,670 --> 00:55:43,120
the next week or so or she'd pack up her

1362
00:55:47,250 --> 00:55:44,680
bag and should take a baton ball and

1363
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:47,260
leave but but even on the age of autism

1364
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:48,970
blog where she was saying I'm closing

1365
00:55:53,010 --> 00:55:51,370
she was then saying please subscribe to

1366
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:53,020
the mag and she's already said in

1367
00:55:57,630 --> 00:55:54,610
another email that she wants to sell the

1368
00:55:59,700 --> 00:55:57,640
mag and on top of that she's said to

1369
00:56:01,260 --> 00:55:59,710
people that are already subscribers I'm

1370
00:56:02,430 --> 00:56:01,270
sorry if you already are but you'll just

1371
00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:02,440
lose your money at the end of the month

1372
00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:04,150
and then she's saying to people yeah

1373
00:56:08,070 --> 00:56:05,950
that's true while insulting if you go to

1374
00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:08,080
close down and you can't variety well

1375
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,400
that's illegal and I think there's a

1376
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:11,440
jail term of up to five years if you are

1377
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:13,330
prosecuted for doing that I think's in

1378
00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:15,610
this state so she's not being very smart

1379
00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:25,609
her position in that she's you know

1380
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:28,500
she's she's trying to make herself look

1381
00:56:33,290 --> 00:56:31,710
like a victor in in that you know this

1382
00:56:37,820 --> 00:56:33,300
is really all this is all this has got

1383
00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:37,830
to do is her financial situation but

1384
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:39,660
she's you know she's trying to you know

1385
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:41,970
make it look like for Meryl poor avian

1386
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:44,730
the skeptics of all bombarded them and

1387
00:56:48,260 --> 00:56:46,530
put them through so much pressure over

1388
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:48,270
the last year and in some ways trying to

1389
00:56:51,380 --> 00:56:49,710
sort of make it look like they've been

1390
00:56:54,170 --> 00:56:51,390
through so much grief by all these

1391
00:56:55,849 --> 00:56:54,180
horrid horrid skeptics that now you know

1392
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:55,859
it's just got too hard and it's too

1393
00:56:58,730 --> 00:56:57,119
difficult and so now we're going to have

1394
00:57:01,220 --> 00:56:58,740
to pack up our bags and go but in fact

1395
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:01,230
this is really just down to the

1396
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,170
management of their well yeah she did an

1397
00:57:08,089 --> 00:57:06,480
interview I didn't interview with where

1398
00:57:10,070 --> 00:57:08,099
we were both interviewed separately for

1399
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:10,080
a radio station called for triple zed

1400
00:57:14,780 --> 00:57:11,760
the other day and you can find it online

1401
00:57:18,620 --> 00:57:14,790
it's arrived at for triple zed wordpress

1402
00:57:20,180 --> 00:57:18,630
com and she in that she said it was to

1403
00:57:21,470 --> 00:57:20,190
do with the global financial crisis

1404
00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:21,480
they've been in trouble since that

1405
00:57:25,339 --> 00:57:23,460
happened but according to the documents

1406
00:57:27,770 --> 00:57:25,349
that we've obtained that you can legally

1407
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:27,780
obtain they have been slowly losing

1408
00:57:31,310 --> 00:57:29,880
money over over the last few years which

1409
00:57:34,810 --> 00:57:31,320
led up to the fifty-eight thousand

1410
00:57:36,530 --> 00:57:34,820
dollars that I've seen for 2008 so I

1411
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,540
thought of me if I'm remembering

1412
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:38,400
correctly but this isn't the first time

1413
00:57:41,809 --> 00:57:40,170
that she's been in this position in

1414
00:57:44,269 --> 00:57:41,819
court on

1415
00:57:46,249 --> 00:57:44,279
give my nervous thanks right yeah I

1416
00:57:47,809 --> 00:57:46,259
believe that she has in fact in the time

1417
00:57:50,059 --> 00:57:47,819
since I've known of them I know she's

1418
00:57:51,439 --> 00:57:50,069
done it once before but that wasn't she

1419
00:57:54,229 --> 00:57:51,449
didn't get to a point of saying I'm

1420
00:57:56,989 --> 00:57:54,239
closing she just said I need some money

1421
00:57:59,689 --> 00:57:56,999
immediately to pay for my assistant and

1422
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,699
she got that but in this case she's

1423
00:58:03,469 --> 00:58:01,440
asking for two to three years worth of

1424
00:58:05,269 --> 00:58:03,479
money and that's so that's going to be a

1425
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:05,279
lot of money but you know I'm not

1426
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:07,529
surprised I got asked by this geno from

1427
00:58:12,289 --> 00:58:09,420
this radio station about it and I'm not

1428
00:58:14,420 --> 00:58:12,299
surprised that she's in this situation

1429
00:58:15,979 --> 00:58:14,430
where she wants out and whether that's

1430
00:58:18,109 --> 00:58:15,989
purely because of the money or because

1431
00:58:19,549 --> 00:58:18,119
of the pressure i don't know but she's

1432
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:19,559
got two complaints pending at the

1433
00:58:23,390 --> 00:58:21,569
healthcare Complaints Commission which

1434
00:58:24,939 --> 00:58:23,400
are about to be handed down in any day

1435
00:58:27,949 --> 00:58:24,949
soon like probably in the next week

1436
00:58:29,410 --> 00:58:27,959
she's got a complaint pending at the

1437
00:58:31,819 --> 00:58:29,420
office of liquor gaming and racing

1438
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:31,829
because she didn't she trade it without

1439
00:58:37,099 --> 00:58:33,920
a charity license for two years and

1440
00:58:40,609 --> 00:58:37,109
she's been hounded in the press lately

1441
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:40,619
her reputation has been battered so you

1442
00:58:43,579 --> 00:58:41,910
know maybe it is the beginning of the

1443
00:58:45,410 --> 00:58:43,589
end for the avian who knows oh and I'm

1444
00:58:46,729 --> 00:58:45,420
surprised that the big guns haven't come

1445
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:46,739
to her rescue yet like Jen West

1446
00:58:51,229 --> 00:58:49,890
Generation Rescue or age of autism maybe

1447
00:58:53,809 --> 00:58:51,239
they've got their own problems to deal

1448
00:58:57,979 --> 00:58:53,819
with and then the yam Bill Gates came

1449
00:59:02,539 --> 00:58:57,989
along and complexed 10 billion billion

1450
00:59:04,130 --> 00:59:02,549
dollars not even ten billion dollars &

1451
00:59:06,109 --> 00:59:04,140
Wakefield's paper got retracted on the

1452
00:59:09,289 --> 00:59:06,119
same day that she came out and said

1453
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:09,299
she's closing down so themselves in done

1454
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:12,079
did you see the tweet last night

1455
00:59:21,229 --> 00:59:16,130
the cover in the name of the journal

1456
00:59:23,779 --> 00:59:21,239
Wakefield's general the last no no no no

1457
00:59:27,289 --> 00:59:23,789
no no it was it was it was a tweet about

1458
00:59:28,999 --> 00:59:27,299
the fact that I'm and I currently the

1459
00:59:31,870 --> 00:59:29,009
name of the actual journal but that what

1460
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:31,880
this journal has agreed to republish

1461
00:59:39,979 --> 00:59:36,569
Wakefield's paper and the seriousness of

1462
00:59:41,180 --> 00:59:39,989
it is that the the journal Wakefield's

1463
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:41,190
actually one of the editors of the

1464
00:59:49,549 --> 00:59:46,650
journal but that the and I I don't know

1465
00:59:52,249 --> 00:59:49,559
if this would be correct but it's no no

1466
00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:52,259
no no no no it's something like it's

1467
01:00:01,400 --> 00:59:54,900
medical something wrong not meant for

1468
01:00:02,539 --> 01:00:01,410
veritas yes yes yes yeah and he's he's

1469
01:00:06,229 --> 01:00:02,549
on to the Edit he's one of the editors

1470
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:06,239
and I don't know exactly so they've

1471
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:09,210
agreed to republish his paper which has

1472
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:10,890
been of course retracted by the lancet

1473
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:13,170
except that it would be it would be the

1474
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,880
if it wouldn't and this is what song

1475
01:00:19,729 --> 01:00:16,799
retainers wouldn't the article itself be

1476
01:00:21,650 --> 01:00:19,739
the property of the Lancer yeah so they

1477
01:00:24,650 --> 01:00:21,660
can't go and just republish the paper

1478
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:24,660
without the permission er I'll let them

1479
01:00:28,729 --> 01:00:26,249
and then they can get a lot of trouble

1480
01:00:31,099 --> 01:00:28,739
own medical Veritas is an absolute joke

1481
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:31,109
yes it's a website that's just about as

1482
01:00:37,180 --> 01:00:34,640
effect as good as well to its impact

1483
01:00:38,859 --> 01:00:37,190
but it's not even listed on pubmed no

1484
01:00:41,019 --> 01:00:38,869
it's just a made-up journal that

1485
01:00:43,180 --> 01:00:41,029
something i think Horowitz is involved

1486
01:00:45,789 --> 01:00:43,190
in there that bigger that word doctor

1487
01:00:51,069 --> 01:00:45,799
who also by the way cells lifeway even

1488
01:00:53,230 --> 01:00:51,079
manitech so it's hysterical medical

1489
01:00:59,859 --> 01:00:53,240
barrett chance I like your alternative

1490
01:01:06,759 --> 01:00:59,869
Titan made up [\h__\h] two thousand we

1491
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:06,769
should we should but you have to give it

1492
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:14,930
a Latin name to make it sound oh I'm

1493
01:01:21,130 --> 01:01:18,410
sure we'll all right let's move a little

1494
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:21,140
move on figure 18 and thank you Joe Joe

1495
01:01:24,849 --> 01:01:23,119
do you have a has ever brought along

1496
01:01:27,220 --> 01:01:24,859
your highlight pin and a bunch of the

1497
01:01:31,269 --> 01:01:27,230
papers Yoshi's you what have you forged

1498
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:31,279
um well actually this is something we're

1499
01:01:35,470 --> 01:01:33,710
talking about earlier with Rachel an

1500
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:35,480
article came out yesterday in the city

1501
01:01:43,380 --> 01:01:38,720
money hold headline is herb already scan

1502
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:43,390
kill which not use to us but

1503
01:01:49,749 --> 01:01:45,710
nevertheless it's still actually it's

1504
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:49,759
quite interesting a professor roger vibe

1505
01:01:54,009 --> 01:01:51,410
from the University of Adelaide who is a

1506
01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:54,019
forensic pathologist came out warning

1507
01:01:58,930 --> 01:01:56,809
people about the false perception that

1508
01:02:03,849 --> 01:01:58,940
herbal remedies are completely safe

1509
01:02:06,940 --> 01:02:03,859
because of you know one being natural so

1510
01:02:08,529 --> 01:02:06,950
you know the sort he's actually done

1511
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:08,539
some research which has been published

1512
01:02:13,059 --> 01:02:11,450
in the journal Forensic Sciences some of

1513
01:02:15,460 --> 01:02:13,069
which was done actually through

1514
01:02:17,859 --> 01:02:15,470
analyzing certain herbal products and he

1515
01:02:20,140 --> 01:02:17,869
looked at 251 Asian hirable products

1516
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:20,150
have in stores across the u.s. and he

1517
01:02:27,339 --> 01:02:22,609
found arsenic in 36 of them mercury and

1518
01:02:28,930 --> 01:02:27,349
35 led in 24 so you know and a lot of

1519
01:02:30,999 --> 01:02:28,940
them a lot of things he's looked at are

1520
01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:31,009
things which you know the general public

1521
01:02:36,730 --> 01:02:32,809
public see is being fairly innocuous

1522
01:02:39,519 --> 01:02:36,740
like evening primrose oil but you know

1523
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:39,529
drugs like this he notes I unknown too

1524
01:02:43,539 --> 01:02:41,450
low the seizure threshold in epileptics

1525
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:43,549
and one of the other ones which I think

1526
01:02:46,140 --> 01:02:43,930
I've been

1527
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:46,150
on the podcast before things like ginkgo

1528
01:02:52,650 --> 01:02:47,920
and garlic which when you mix them with

1529
01:02:56,070 --> 01:02:52,660
warfarin people have bled to death from

1530
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:56,080
this combination so it was actually it's

1531
01:02:59,000 --> 01:02:57,250
really nice to see in the media that

1532
01:03:02,100 --> 01:02:59,010
they were giving this some publicity and

1533
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:02,110
really just you know that he's just he

1534
01:03:07,230 --> 01:03:04,960
feels it just needs to be a real warning

1535
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:07,240
to people to be aware of the fact that

1536
01:03:13,950 --> 01:03:10,720
herbal medicines are not necessarily

1537
01:03:16,860 --> 01:03:13,960
safe interestingly they actually quoted

1538
01:03:18,270 --> 01:03:16,870
in the article a dr. Wendy morrow who is

1539
01:03:19,890 --> 01:03:18,280
the executive director of the

1540
01:03:23,970 --> 01:03:19,900
complementary health care council of

1541
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:23,980
australia who I think was rather

1542
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:25,810
disappointed in the article and said

1543
01:03:33,450 --> 01:03:28,000
that it was inflammatory and designed to

1544
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:33,460
cause panic now doctor no oh no dr.

1545
01:03:38,250 --> 01:03:36,610
morrow is also dr. Mario says that there

1546
01:03:39,690 --> 01:03:38,260
is not a wide held belief that

1547
01:03:45,210 --> 01:03:39,700
complementary medicines are one hundred

1548
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:45,220
percent safe I would dispute and she

1549
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:47,650
actually has an interesting history as

1550
01:03:53,820 --> 01:03:51,730
the I think one of the sort of principal

1551
01:03:55,380 --> 01:03:53,830
people in the South Australian College

1552
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:55,390
of natural medicine and her

1553
01:03:59,400 --> 01:03:57,130
qualifications are that as well as being

1554
01:04:01,050 --> 01:03:59,410
a registered pharmacist a naturopath her

1555
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:01,060
doctorate is in educational

1556
01:04:08,430 --> 01:04:05,520
administration so she has not actually

1557
01:04:10,590 --> 01:04:08,440
you know her doctor title is very

1558
01:04:13,820 --> 01:04:10,600
misleading in this case she's not

1559
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:13,830
actually a doctor of anything scientific

1560
01:04:19,020 --> 01:04:17,200
and I think that you know presenting

1561
01:04:21,930 --> 01:04:19,030
that as the opposing view to this

1562
01:04:23,170 --> 01:04:21,940
article is misleading again it's into

1563
01:04:25,210 --> 01:04:23,180
size because this

1564
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:25,220
was also this one you're a factory is

1565
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:26,569
written by journalists but i'm danny

1566
01:04:31,210 --> 01:04:29,210
rose to the woman yeah the one i came

1567
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:31,220
across was written by Nick Miller who's

1568
01:04:36,190 --> 01:04:34,130
rights for Fairfax as well and I'm i

1569
01:04:38,859 --> 01:04:36,200
have i came across this article because

1570
01:04:40,740 --> 01:04:38,869
i found it on the anti baxley and they

1571
01:04:45,309 --> 01:04:40,750
were a little bit cranky about it Joe

1572
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:45,319
and so I sent a little bit of a tweet to

1573
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:48,079
Nick Miller and notified him to the fact

1574
01:04:52,299 --> 01:04:49,760
that they were not impressed with his

1575
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:52,309
article and he wrote back to me and said

1576
01:04:57,010 --> 01:04:54,250
that he'd received some fairly

1577
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:57,020
inflammatory emails today from people

1578
01:05:01,720 --> 01:04:59,119
saying but it's natural therefore it has

1579
01:05:03,819 --> 01:05:01,730
to be safe and his impression was that

1580
01:05:07,030 --> 01:05:03,829
you know that they can't have it both

1581
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:07,040
ways and the glaring difference between

1582
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:08,930
that the two articles is of course that

1583
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:11,450
in Nick's article it was pretty

1584
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:15,200
explicitly looking at the science of it

1585
01:05:18,609 --> 01:05:17,210
whereas this is this article has

1586
01:05:21,819 --> 01:05:18,619
actually sort of given that false

1587
01:05:23,380 --> 01:05:21,829
balance oh yeah you know yeah here's was

1588
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:23,390
really much more like a press release

1589
01:05:27,819 --> 01:05:25,010
style yeah it was this article to come

1590
01:05:29,289 --> 01:05:27,829
out and the journalist yes this stuff

1591
01:05:31,150 --> 01:05:29,299
has got toxic levels of mercury and

1592
01:05:34,299 --> 01:05:31,160
asked if that was in they didn't he

1593
01:05:36,250 --> 01:05:34,309
didn't say comment from Loomis warm and

1594
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:36,260
fuzzy you know I got you be interested

1595
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to know actually interested to know some

1596
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of the some of the other courses that

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are offered in her institution which

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include a requirement of bioenergetic

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therapy Oh made up [\h__\h] no [\h__\h] doctor

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01:06:06,430 --> 01:06:03,760
call me and what would the UM the

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01:06:09,660 --> 01:06:06,440
Diploma of her will alchemy be cool I'll

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01:06:16,090 --> 01:06:14,620
advanced you really get to level two to

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01:06:18,610 --> 01:06:16,100
do Oh what about what about this

1604
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:18,620
certificate for in iridology a lots of

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01:06:23,740 --> 01:06:19,970
certificate or then like that's when you

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01:06:25,930 --> 01:06:23,750
can practice made it dr. of made up [\h__\h]

1607
01:06:30,850 --> 01:06:25,940
and what about one man's diploma of

1608
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:30,860
sound and color therapy I have got one

1609
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:47,930
of those oh if you keep saying no no

1610
01:06:56,190 --> 01:06:50,570
great because it look like an MSc have

1611
01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:56,200
put em would look like an embassy yeah

1612
01:07:00,280 --> 01:06:58,490
of course since this whole business with

1613
01:07:01,540 --> 01:07:00,290
the shorty awards my bloggers we've got

1614
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:01,550
a lot of hits and so I'm getting a lot

1615
01:07:06,250 --> 01:07:03,200
of people on there now that are not

1616
01:07:07,060 --> 01:07:06,260
necessarily followers of myself so which

1617
01:07:10,180 --> 01:07:07,070
is great because there's a lot of

1618
01:07:11,620 --> 01:07:10,190
discussion is starting but there were

1619
01:07:14,350 --> 01:07:11,630
some comments made about the dowsing

1620
01:07:16,210 --> 01:07:14,360
story the Iraq bomb dowsing story and a

1621
01:07:17,230 --> 01:07:16,220
lot of the skeptics that that commented

1622
01:07:19,060 --> 01:07:17,240
on that was saying well that is

1623
01:07:21,850 --> 01:07:19,070
disgusting and we know that dowsing is

1624
01:07:23,650 --> 01:07:21,860
[\h__\h] and someone else got on and

1625
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:23,660
said you guys are just dismissing it you

1626
01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:25,970
haven't even done your research and well

1627
01:07:29,610 --> 01:07:27,920
the point is that you know why was the

1628
01:07:31,930 --> 01:07:29,620
Australian skeptics set up Richard

1629
01:07:34,750 --> 01:07:31,940
originally it was set up after a water

1630
01:07:36,220 --> 01:07:34,760
divining challenge correct years ago how

1631
01:07:38,530 --> 01:07:36,230
much research have you done into

1632
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:38,540
divining personally ya know ten years

1633
01:07:44,110 --> 01:07:40,400
worth all right you know what it doesn't

1634
01:07:47,890 --> 01:07:44,120
work yeah so because of that we can look

1635
01:07:49,630 --> 01:07:47,900
critically and that those I mean if you

1636
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:49,640
if you haven't seen that video please go

1637
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:50,720
and watch it because it's just so

1638
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:52,370
astounding that people could fall for it

1639
01:07:56,770 --> 01:07:54,290
but you can see people walking along

1640
01:07:58,210 --> 01:07:56,780
beside cars stampin up on down up and

1641
01:07:59,800 --> 01:07:58,220
down on the spot to generate a static

1642
01:08:02,980 --> 01:07:59,810
electricity and looking for bonds it's

1643
01:08:05,860 --> 01:08:02,990
nonsense but I think that in fact i

1644
01:08:08,020 --> 01:08:05,870
wasn't going to actually raise this but

1645
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:08,030
i had printed this out because I just

1646
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:14,420
you know I'm a masochist what can I said

1647
01:08:20,269 --> 01:08:17,730
um but you know I think with so many of

1648
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:20,279
the people who although not all of them

1649
01:08:25,309 --> 01:08:21,930
and I think we said this before there's

1650
01:08:27,980 --> 01:08:25,319
a real lack of understanding of research

1651
01:08:30,670 --> 01:08:27,990
and a lack of skills in reading research

1652
01:08:33,470 --> 01:08:30,680
and understanding statistics and

1653
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:33,480
interestingly the woman who I mentioned

1654
01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:35,370
earlier who runs that the college of

1655
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:37,020
natural medicine in South Australia I

1656
01:08:42,860 --> 01:08:41,040
got hold of the some of the information

1657
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:42,870
about the various courses that they run

1658
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:44,880
there and I'm interested in what they do

1659
01:08:48,440 --> 01:08:47,010
in these organizations because you know

1660
01:08:50,510 --> 01:08:48,450
I sort of look at these people and I

1661
01:08:52,610 --> 01:08:50,520
think all what information have you

1662
01:08:55,490 --> 01:08:52,620
actually had what training have you had

1663
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:55,500
and they really have nothing because

1664
01:09:00,769 --> 01:08:57,930
under you know in their in their

1665
01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:00,779
undergraduate course which they are

1666
01:09:05,630 --> 01:09:02,490
calling a research and referencing

1667
01:09:07,190 --> 01:09:05,640
skills the that what it says that

1668
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:07,200
they're teaching our skills to be

1669
01:09:10,190 --> 01:09:08,850
successful in research in formulating

1670
01:09:12,860 --> 01:09:10,200
and writing reports essays and

1671
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:12,870
assignments no taking studying for and

1672
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:14,880
taking examinations at college these

1673
01:09:18,769 --> 01:09:16,980
skills include memory recall note-taking

1674
01:09:20,180 --> 01:09:18,779
essay writing assignment standards

1675
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:20,190
footnoting and referencing and using

1676
01:09:23,750 --> 01:09:22,080
libraries other related topics are

1677
01:09:25,820 --> 01:09:23,760
personal planning organizational skills

1678
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:25,830
personal development and motivation if

1679
01:09:32,030 --> 01:09:27,690
this is what these people are being

1680
01:09:33,710 --> 01:09:32,040
taught as learning about research your

1681
01:09:36,559 --> 01:09:33,720
like before this high school isn't as

1682
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:36,569
well but even a high school level you

1683
01:09:41,390 --> 01:09:38,730
know people are kids are capable of

1684
01:09:43,550 --> 01:09:41,400
being taught about research at a higher

1685
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:43,560
level than that so these people are

1686
01:09:47,390 --> 01:09:45,810
coming out with no understanding of

1687
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:47,400
research so when they come back at us

1688
01:09:50,420 --> 01:09:49,049
all the time and they say well no

1689
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:50,430
research has been done and you don't

1690
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:51,810
know what you're talking about they

1691
01:09:58,460 --> 01:09:55,050
don't even know what research is know

1692
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:58,470
what they're doing exactly exactly and I

1693
01:10:06,580 --> 01:10:00,960
think of that you know I it's a really

1694
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:10,550
did they did too now we have to wrap

1695
01:10:13,460 --> 01:10:11,850
this up pretty soon but listeners you'll

1696
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:13,470
be thrilled to know but why we've been

1697
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:15,930
chatting away I've twit picked a picture

1698
01:10:21,530 --> 01:10:19,050
about the think tank tonight oh so

1699
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:21,540
actually no because that was days ago by

1700
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:23,490
the time this comes out days ago days

1701
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:27,360
ago you treated i live in action but I

1702
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:29,490
want to wrap up with a correction of

1703
01:10:35,710 --> 01:10:32,910
sorts when I was sworn around California

1704
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:35,720
and I was in Bryan Dunning's hot tub

1705
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,290
well as you do that's right i'm doing

1706
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:42,960
think tub right we were talking about

1707
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:44,730
the separation of church and state and

1708
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:46,770
i've alluded to the fact that australia

1709
01:10:51,470 --> 01:10:48,570
really doesn't have this well andrew

1710
01:10:53,570 --> 01:10:51,480
gould has sent me a message hey Richard

1711
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:53,580
you've mentioned a couple of times and

1712
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:56,400
the latest the latest in a think tub

1713
01:11:00,620 --> 01:10:57,930
that Australia doesn't have separation

1714
01:11:03,860 --> 01:11:00,630
of church and state this is actually not

1715
01:11:05,780 --> 01:11:03,870
true chapter 5 paragraph 1 16 of the

1716
01:11:07,820 --> 01:11:05,790
Australian Constitution reads the

1717
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:07,830
Commonwealth shall not make any law for

1718
01:11:13,670 --> 01:11:10,170
establishing any religion or for the

1719
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:13,680
imposing any for for imposing any

1720
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:15,840
religious observance or for the

1721
01:11:21,290 --> 01:11:18,330
prohibiting the free exercise of any

1722
01:11:23,150 --> 01:11:21,300
religion and no religious test shall be

1723
01:11:25,730 --> 01:11:23,160
required as a qualification for any

1724
01:11:30,170 --> 01:11:25,740
office or public trust under the

1725
01:11:33,050 --> 01:11:30,180
Commonwealth there you go ok and he goes

1726
01:11:34,940 --> 01:11:33,060
on to say he was surprised too to find

1727
01:11:40,180 --> 01:11:34,950
this out he says no I've got the

1728
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:43,340
how about that so they get it is and I

1729
01:11:46,730 --> 01:11:44,970
find out yeah well that's what he says

1730
01:11:48,530 --> 01:11:46,740
go check it out i'm going to download

1731
01:11:54,380 --> 01:11:48,540
the Australian Constitution as an iphone

1732
01:11:57,379 --> 01:11:54,390
out I wanted the homeopathy Medicus very

1733
01:12:01,729 --> 01:11:57,389
just whatever you know what in a way

1734
01:12:05,659 --> 01:12:01,739
materia medica that's it yeah mush mush

1735
01:12:07,699 --> 01:12:05,669
on that on that interesting legal note

1736
01:12:09,919 --> 01:12:07,709
Constitution note I'd like to thank very

1737
01:12:11,449 --> 01:12:09,929
much our new member for coming along to

1738
01:12:13,699 --> 01:12:11,459
that dr. Chrissy thank you dr. chrissy

1739
01:12:15,319 --> 01:12:13,709
money a very well thank you very much

1740
01:12:17,449 --> 01:12:15,329
lovely hat box oh thank you yeah

1741
01:12:19,100 --> 01:12:17,459
unfortunately the listeners we're not

1742
01:12:20,929 --> 01:12:19,110
gonna get the benefit of my hair oh but

1743
01:12:26,810 --> 01:12:20,939
they will they will learn the sort of

1744
01:12:28,459 --> 01:12:26,820
three days ago I'm sure Joe thank you

1745
01:12:30,259 --> 01:12:28,469
very much thank you read lovely report

1746
01:12:32,689 --> 01:12:30,269
and Diane thank you so much for coming

1747
01:12:34,909 --> 01:12:32,699
and we're going to be all heading out to

1748
01:12:39,139 --> 01:12:34,919
your favorite place in here City Holland

1749
01:12:41,179 --> 01:12:39,149
hassle some cherries on Harry and

1750
01:12:43,729 --> 01:12:41,189
pairings and I can't wait for that

1751
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:43,739
Smithfield is it yes we do yeah hold on

1752
01:12:47,629 --> 01:12:46,320
tower hours away is it free there's a

1753
01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:47,639
free plug it's a great place to visit

1754
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:51,110
all you're gonna say is a free passes

1755
01:12:55,879 --> 01:12:54,090
dr. AG what would the thing tank me

1756
01:12:57,729 --> 01:12:55,889
without you it would be the think tank

1757
01:13:03,529 --> 01:12:57,739
without dr. H E but I'm glad it's not

1758
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:03,539
okay thank you I think and until the

1759
01:13:07,549 --> 01:13:05,760
next time if some of our listeners had

1760
01:13:10,669 --> 01:13:07,559
their way we'd have nothing but the

1761
01:13:36,190 --> 01:13:10,679
think tank of issue until the next thing

1762
01:13:40,610 --> 01:13:38,540
astronomy cast it takes a fact space

1763
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:40,620
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1764
01:13:45,020 --> 01:13:42,330
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1765
01:13:47,930 --> 01:13:45,030
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1766
01:13:50,210 --> 01:13:47,940
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1767
01:13:51,230 --> 01:13:50,220
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1768
01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:51,240
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1769
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:53,910
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1770
01:13:58,190 --> 01:13:55,770
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1771
01:14:00,290 --> 01:13:58,200
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1772
01:14:01,850 --> 01:14:00,300
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1773
01:14:04,580 --> 01:14:01,860
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1774
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:04,590
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1775
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:06,690
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1776
01:14:27,580 --> 01:14:25,000
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1777
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:27,590
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1778
01:14:33,129 --> 01:14:31,250
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01:14:36,490 --> 01:14:33,139
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1785
01:14:52,660 --> 01:14:51,020
coffee well okay I'm Joel next time this

1786
01:14:58,330 --> 01:14:52,670
is Richard Saunders signing off once

1787
01:15:00,640 --> 01:14:58,340
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01:15:05,740 --> 01:15:00,650
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